According to Wikipedia:
“Socialism refers to a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community. This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers’ councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by state, worker, or community ownership of the means of production, goals which have been attributed to, and claimed by, a number of political parties and governments throughout history.”
“The modern socialist movement largely originated in the late-19th century working class movement. In this period, the term ’socialism’ was first used in connection with European social critics who criticized capitalism and private property. For Karl Marx, who helped establish and define the modern socialist movement, socialism would be the socioeconomic system that arises after the proletarian revolution, in which the means of production are owned collectively. This society would then progress into communism.”
In Barack Obama’s “Keeping America’s Promise” you can read the details about what Barack wants to do as President. Here are some highlights that stood out to me:
1. Give an immediate $250 to ‘workers and their families’.
2. Give an immediate $250 to seniors for whatever reason.
3. Give another $250 to ‘workers and seniors’ if the economy worsens.
4. Give money to (aka Provide relief for) homeowners hit by the housing crisis.
5. Create a $10 billion foreclosure fund for irresponsible homeowners.
6. Create an mortgage interest credit (negative tax) only for ‘low-income’ workers.
7. Ensure freedom to unionize (form unions)
8. Provide UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE COVERAGE by providing the ‘average’ family a $2500 reduction in premiums.
9. Make college ‘affordable’ by providing $4000 tax credit (read ‘tax redistribution’)
10. Tackle ‘concentrated poverty’ in America.
11. Increase the supply of affordable housing (read Government housing)
12. Give every American a $1000 personal check for his/her vote in November. (OK, I made this one up, but it sure fits the pattern, no?)
FOLKS…. Barack Hussein Obama is a socialist candidate! We are not a socialist country, are we? Weren’t we founded as a capitalist country? Tell me if I’m wrong here! How are we to pay for any of the above-mentioned programs? Not to mention the ones I skipped as I read his magnificent ‘plan’??? I’ll tell you how- more of my hard earned money! More taxes. Socialism takes from the real working class, gives to the lazy class and creates dependence on Uncle Sam. I want to work, become independently wealthy on my own and be left alone by Uncle Sam, don’t you? Socialism is the antithesis of what America was built on and will tear this country in half from the slum up.
BO’s program stinks! (pardon the pun). It would tax the rich more, while providing ’services’ for the less rich. (I say ‘less rich’ because the poorest American still eats better than 98% of the rest of the population of planet earth!) His programs would be funded out of the increased taxes on those that are creating jobs- the entrepreneurs, business owners, and owners of small corporations that keep America economy going.
Hussein’s views on abortion, gay marriage, et al are also terrible, but I’ll blog about that at a later date. My point in this post is to point out his rediculously Socialist platform that is the 900 lb elephant in the room that I’ve not heard much about. His bid has been nothing more than a hugely successful marketing campaign that has obscured his socialist core and those who have fallen for it can’t see it.
Read for yourself! I fear that in our American ‘me first’ society, where ‘the government owes me something’ is the mantra of the day, we’re losing our capitalistic underpinnings as a nation. I’m sure China Russia and North Korea are salivating at the prospect.
OK, now that my head is spinning, it’s time for a little music.
In truth,
David
February 28, 2008 at 6:50 pm
You meant that as a joke, right? Have you ever traveled outside the U.S.? Let me burst your bubble: not everyone outside the U.S. lives in the slums. The poorest Americans live on junk food… anything is healthier than that.
Focusing on what we do agree upon: socialism is the antithesis of what America was built on. I get the impression that B.O. is nothing more than a hugely successful marketing campaign. He’s a great speaker, for sure. But does a great speaker make a great president?
February 28, 2008 at 9:44 pm
It wouls be wonderful if the american public would REALLY research who they are giving their vote to inthis election. Apparently many:
1)don’t wanna do the “footwork” involved in seeking the truth
2)don’t care about the truth
or as we see all too often….
choose the “lesser of two evils”
SAD…VERY SAD!!!!
March 3, 2008 at 10:45 am
The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.
– Alexis de Tocqueville
Tyrants would distribute largess, a bushel of wheat, a gallon of wine, and a sesterce (Roman coin): and then everybody would shamelessly cry, ‘Long live the King!’ The fools did not realize that they were merely recovering a portion of their own property, and that their ruler could not have given them what they were receiving without having first taken it from them.
– Éttiene de la Boétie
Most of the presidential candidates’ economic packages involve ‘tax breaks,’ which is when the government, amid great fanfare, generously decides not to take quite so much of your income. In other words, these candidates are trying to buy your votes with your own money.
– Dave Barry
It’s illegal to say to a voter “Here’s $100, vote for me.” So what do the politicians do? They offer the $100 in the form of Health Care, Social Security, Unemployment Insurance, Food Stamps, tobacco subsidies, grain payments, NEA payments, and jobs programs.
– Don Farrar
There are many farm handouts; but let’s call them what they really are: a form a legalized theft. Essentially, a congressman tells his farm constituency, ‘Vote for me. I’ll use my office to take another American’s money and give it to you.’
– Walter Williams
A government with the policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul.
– George Bernard Shaw
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship.
– Alexander Fraser Tyler,’The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic’.
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So here’s my comment:
People don’t want the truth and can’t handle the truth! If you were to campaign on a platform of truth, you’d not even make it to the first polling station! You’d be laughed out!
The quotes above are SO true. The only reason Bush made it through 2 elections was primarily because of the “Christian Coalition” rising up and (indirectly) campaigning for him! However, in this election cycle, the ‘voting public’ is not going to be swayed by values concerns this time around. They’re too upset with:
-The war in Iraq
-Their checkbook (not everyone was an idiot who signed up for a variable APR–some were conned…)
-Healthcare
-Values of the elected
If the presidential election were Obama vs Huckabee, I’d probably vote Huckabee. If it’s going to be Obama vs McCain, I’ll probably vote Obama… not because I agree with a socialist government, but because I believe he’ll:
1) do what he says
2) communicate the truth to me
3) do what he believes is right–even if I don’t agree with him!
4) wont’ be swayed by money, but would by a valid argument
March 3, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Nathan… come back to the Force..! Actually, you posted some very interesting quotes. Hopefully, they’re not a harbinger of things to come.
In response to your last paragraph, I’d argue that your points 1-4 describe GW Bush to a T, which is why I voted for him twice. I couldn’t agree that Obama would be better than McCain, although I don’t really see a great choice in either of them. I’d go with the least socialist- McCain.
But speaking of quotes… one comes to mind: Ben Franklin once said, “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” In my book, temporary safety can apply to many things, including social programs. I want liberty to make my own way, make as much money as I can with little, if any, intrusion by the Feds. Obama wants more.
April 1, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Can you please remove your post. I really want to see obama get elected and I think your post hinders his stance. This site is negative support that will get more people to vote against obama than for him.
He is the right person for the job because he is reasonable and his judgments are sound. I trust him in dire situation more than I have trusted any president in my life time. We need a president that can fix the problems that Bush created with international relationships. This is something that neither Mccain or Hillary will be able to sooth on the level that Obama can.
I wish you would address the relevant issues rather than issues that will not change or influence any American.
Again I want to ask for you to remove this post for the greater good of America and the better chance for Obama to win.
July 3, 2009 at 5:00 pm
go to google and type in the obama deception. unless your afraid
April 3, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Deacon,
No.
~dj
April 4, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Barrack Obama wants to redistribute the wealth of our country. Capitalism doesn’t function like this. Regardless of the sob stories the majority of us can obtain success, I am tired of hearing about people not being able to “make ends meet”, get an education and join the game, that is what our country is about. Not sitting on our asses complaining about how much “Jim down the street” makes and feeling like since he makes so much money, it must be justifiable for me to want him to be taxed so I can sit on my ass. There are so many people that come here from foreign countries and become successful. We need to be independent and have reasonable taxes. Not what BO wants, why do the democrats want more from the government if they don’t think it works, that was “insanity” the last time I checked the definition. People that think we should go light on BO about his ideas are crazy they are puppets, we want change, but “be careful what you wish for”…
April 4, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Deacon,
Please put down the kool-aid you have a mustache from drinking so much.
April 25, 2008 at 12:06 pm
The FUNNY thing is is that Jesus is SUCH a socialist. “it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom”. Not exactly an endorsement of capitalism. And if you look at the feeding the mob with a short supply of bread and fish. Now the church wants you to think he MAGICALLY instantly cloned/duplicated enough food to feed everyone. The more rational reasoning would be that he convinced everyone to take a small share to insure enough for everyone. (sound like anything?)
April 25, 2008 at 12:49 pm
JoeW…
Just curious… I’m getting nothing done today answering all your comments… no worries…
Do you work at night?
How, then, would you explain the EXTRA 12 baskets of bread/fish if everyone took a nibble? Or would you say that would be a biblical example of the socialists stealing from the people to keep plenty for the government? C’mon, Joe! Jesus was the Christ!!! He did perform miracles- these are documented and verified by eyewitnesses!
But to answer your question- no. This is not an example of socialism- for it was not a governmental system Jesus was putting into effect. Sharing does not equal socialism. You’re trying to draw silly conclusions in order to make Christ out to be a fraud and it’s not really working. Jesus’ main goal was to glorify the Father, not to impress bystanders with his fish-multiplying prowess!
April 26, 2008 at 9:43 am
Acyually I’m a carpenter. I also DJ Karaoke for gits & shiggles.
What do you do? With this much passion, I assume you have a ministry?
I can write a story and say I have eyewitnesses, bury it, and 2000 years from now when it’s found, how the hell will anyone know who the eyewitnesses were? And as I have said many many many times, the Bible wasn’t written as events unfolded. The earliest writings, are dated from around 250BC.
A christian calling ME silly, Holy s**t that’s funny/….
If Jesus is the Messiah, that would make him KING of the Jewish peoples, therefore setting up a government.
Also, I don’t believe Jesus to be the fraud, I believe his TEACHINGS are some of the wisest things ever uttered by MAN. It’s the people AFTER Jesus that are the frauds.
April 27, 2008 at 12:33 pm
People like…………..
April 28, 2008 at 3:54 pm
first off,this isn’t a Capitalistic Country
any more,it is a Monopoly,have you ever played
the board game called Monopoly?
because Capitalism is a liberal or individualistic
economic system,it is always the most
criminal and selfish and greedy driven people that end up Monopolizing the system,while decent honest hard working people stay at the bottom,Criminals only care about themselves at the expense of innocent people,and in a Capitalist system.
Capitalists that value profits over people
are in essence Legalized Criminals
and birds of a feather flock together, and
know that collaborations or Cartels are much
more profitable then actual competition
(oil companies as one example)this is is
called a private oligarch or a Private
Monopoly,when this happens it is no longer
a Capitalistic system,and if you are not
willing to lower your standards to thiers
you cannot join the club,what actually
makes this so called Capitalism tolerable
today for so many Americans (moderates)
is only because of the presence of a left
wing(Socialist Party),otherwise America would become another Nazi Germany,so if you
want to sell freedom and Liberty and individual pursuit and goals under the sign
board of Capitalism,why don’t you tell the
whole truth instead of 1/3 of it…ok
April 29, 2008 at 8:50 am
JoeW:
Actually, I’m a songwriter, volunteer at my church and work as a sales manager at a software company. I also write radio jingles on the side. The only ministry I have is music, really. I’ve been called to use my music for God, so I get to use music in many different ways.
I’m passionate about that which I know can change lives and hearts.
You say that you believe Jesus’ teachings to be some of the wisest ever uttered by a man. However, Jesus claimed on many occasions to be God. Was he lying? Was he nuts? If so, how can you call him wise? Something doesn’t fit here. You have to take the whole pie, not just the pieces that sound good, it would seem to me. If I believe someone to be doctrinally sound, upstanding and reliable, anything that person says I would believe until they gave me reason to discredit them.
~David
June 6, 2008 at 4:05 pm
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June 24, 2008 at 12:34 pm
You’re a moron. Stop trying to think about things. Get sterilized and move out of your parents basement.
June 29, 2008 at 10:36 am
in our society everyone has a chance to be successful in a socialist society no one has that chance.
June 30, 2008 at 1:47 pm
I find this strangely ironic and sadly hypocritical coming from someone who makes this complaint:
It’s always Me, Me, Me and Mine, Mine, Mine with you people. You sound like a bunch of bratty toddlers.
June 30, 2008 at 7:55 pm
1 Timothy 6:7-10:
7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
10 For the love [desire, pursuit] of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Matthew 19:20-21:
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
There are a lot more, but that should suffice. Not bad for an evil atheist, huh?
July 3, 2009 at 5:09 pm
yes,let us all be poor and suffer together.God wants you to be rich.ask and ye shall receive.you can find quotes in the bible to support any position.
June 30, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Oops! That should have read Matthew 19:20-24, obviously. You’ll forgive me my trespass… er… typo?
July 1, 2008 at 9:48 am
My dearest Lottie,
In the ‘me first’ comment, I’m talking about people who think the US Government somehow owes them a job, health insurance, a better home, a paycheck, etc. These are the people who want socialist candidates in office because these candidates will rob the ‘rich’ and give to the poor. America was not founded on this ideology. This is fact.
I don’t mind giving money to people. In fact, I give away quite a bit to charities, my church, and various ministries. You’ve once again taken my remarks out of context (something you seem to be really good at). I don’t want BIG GOVERNMENT demanding my money from me in order to redistribute it to those it deems ‘in need’. I’ll be the judge of that, thank you very much.
Taxes shouldn’t be used to fund governmental social programs. Taking care of the poor and needy is a function of the church, not Uncle Sam. Barack Osama (misspelling intended) would have higher taxes on the ones actually paying 80% of the nation’s taxes in the first place. Liberals will never understand this, but it’s so simple to see.
And yes, I DO want liberty to make my own way- you must take handouts or you wouldn’t have said anything about that.
Who can succeed if they’re always taking government money? That’s why I’m railing against B.O. in this particular post.
Glad to see you’re reading this blog everyday. It’s addicting, isn’t it? A daily dose will be good for you. However, I’m even more excited to see that you’re now reading your Bible, Lottie! This is progress. You’re right… not bad for someone who once thought it full of fairtales!! I’m amazed at the transformation in just a few short days!
Now we have to educate you about prooftexting… that’s another issue altogether. And I might be guilty of what Christ warns about in Matthew 7:6, but I’ll ask forgiveness later.
Oh, and speaking of… you’re forgiven! We all tres-typo once in a while!
You’re a brilliant person, Lottie! Wish you would allow a little [more] room for God in your life. He could transform you more than you realize!
Hey, welcome back!
~DJ
July 1, 2008 at 9:55 am
Jerry helping…
Good comment.. AGREE 100%!
~DJ
July 1, 2008 at 10:11 am
Barack,
Talking to the mirror again?
dj
July 2, 2008 at 5:00 pm
It’s really depressing to see sarcasm taken so literally. ::sigh::
But thanks for at least being pleasant this time. Maybe some of that will rub off on Timotheus.
July 5, 2008 at 8:38 pm
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July 10, 2008 at 11:16 am
Interesting political point(s) of view there, Sparky. First, I was wondering if you could do me a favor and take 10 steps back and look at the big picture. Second, God is not a Conservative, Democrat, Independent, etc. It’s funny how so many Americans classify themselves as “Religious” **and** “Republican” – 90% of these “types” are without a doubt among the most biggoted, hypocritical and non-religious people in this country. Being the “non-perfect” Born Again Christian, I often wonder how The Lord feels about these types of people speaking for him – when clearly their motives are self serving and NOT serving Him. The Word Of God is very simple. We are all here to do His work and Honor Him – which means helping others in need – regardless of the circumstances. Should people be reliant on the Government? Absolutely not. BUT – there are times like now when some people will need a hand. The Bush Administration has disgraced this Country and the GOP. It amazes me how such a dishonest and inadequate leader appeals to such a following – Christians of America. And so here we have Obama who obviously has new ideas – some of them good – some of them I disagree with. We Conservatives only have ourselves to blame for the mess the party is in. Bush had no business being the President. He is a total disgrace – and former leaders like the Great President Reagan are turning over in their graves.
So let me lay it out – you and I are both white men. We’ve both received our college education, were raised and protected in suburbia, drove more expensive cars than our high school teachers, etc. We’ve never had to worry about where our next meal was coming from, let alone the millions of Americans who have children also – and add to that some are (or already have) lost their homes. We’ve never known poverty. Shame on you, man… really. You and people like you need to get down on your knees and pray for some sort of understanding of the complexities of the society we live in. Take a look at two music videos on You Tube:
1. “Subdivisions” by Rush
2. “Another Day In Paradise” by Phil Collins
You profess to read and live by the Word of Our Father – I think you need to read without your eyes and more with your heart. There are more Conservatives out here that think just like this. I hope you and people like yourself open up your heart to how good some of us have it – and how so many have never been as fortunate.
July 10, 2008 at 11:32 am
Wayne,
Good point… for the most part. And, contrary to what you think, I do see the actual big picture. I think where you ‘and people like you’ err is to think that the government should step in AT ALL. They shouldn’t. The Fed’s job is to govern the country in a way that fosters low tax burdens, entrepreneurship, etc. These things create jobs and stimulate the economy. What you’ve read in this particular post is just the tip of the iceberg of my thoughts regarding the government. You and I both agree that Uncle Sam is way too big and out of control (i.e. Reagan rolling over in his grave). I concur wholeheartedly. However, I’d do away with the IRS, Dept. of Education and most of what we know as the welfare system in this great country of ours. I hate government intrusion and feel THAT is why the church thinks she can step back and not pitch in to help the unfortunate. My solution to these issues is MORE CHURCH involvement, i.e. the kind Christ spoke of and exhibited. Never, NEVER do you find in scripture where Rome taxed the rich to give to the poor… NEVER. When giving to the poor, feeding the hungry, etc. is mentioned in scripture, the CHURCH is being instructed to do so, and do so in abundance.
So, back to Obama. He’s no good for the USA because he wants to expand governmental duties. For that matter, neither is John McCain. Like you (I assume), I’ll hold my nose and vote for the lesser of the two or simply vote 3rd party- Chuck Baldwin, Constitution Party, etc.
Thanks for the comments and I’ll watch those two vids, the productions of which might have fed 100 families for a week. (?)
~DJ
July 10, 2008 at 2:04 pm
David,
I wanted to apologize for my first message. I didn’t mean to judge or chastize anybody else’s beliefs – we all are entitled to our opinions – I just wanted to make sure no offense was taken on my post – and if it did – I do sincerely apologize. As a fellow Christian – I’m sure that you’ve heard the old saying, “Christians aren’t perfect – just Forgiven”.
My biggest “beef” with this is that as a Country, many people see our Government play the part of a “Global State Trooper” first – and taking care of National issues second. It can’t work that way. The sad thing is that Bush has let many GOP’ers down with his lack of leadership, distortion of true events and total detachment of what it’s like to be the husband of a family working 3 jobs just to make ends meet with a family of 4. Bush isn’t the only one. Most politicians are in this categorical genre. “Do as I say, not as I do”. How many times have these people had to pay for their own gas? How many times have they had to worry about not having health insurance? How much do they worry about Social Insurance not being available to them upon retirement? Really – the Government is so gargantuan that so many people involved in Government get away with murder. The United States Government is every bit as corrupt as any other – and the American taxpayer – well, we continue to pick up a tab that we have no choice in the matter. Our next President needs to do the following:
1. Severely penalize Corporations for sending American jobs overseas and BRING THESE JOBS BACK HOME! Isn’t Corporate America so thoughtful… exploiting developing countries to boost their bottom line. When Nike or Adidas started manufacturing shoes in China – a pair of shoes made in the USA cost $70. Now a pair made in China costs $90. Companies that have sent jobs out of the country should be taxed to the point where it costs them to conduct business overseas. Again – these jobs need to be BROUGHT BACK HOME!
2. Get rid of the IRS – for good.
3. Set up economic hardship zones to encourage new job growth and opportunity in impoverished areas and give companies tax breaks when they participate in such a program.
4. Allow amnesty for immigrants in the country. These people have as much right to be here as you or I. They add to the culture and prosperity of our Nation and are a very important part of American Society.
5. An IMMEDIATE end to the OCCUPATION of Iraq and Afghanistan. We have no legal right to be in either country. How would the World view an Isreali occupation by Iran? There is no difference. Again, we have NO LEGAL RIGHT to be in Iraq, or anywhere else in the world. If help is REQUESTED – that would be a different matter, and should be decided by the American taxpayer.
6. Focus on alternative energy development.
7. Re-write the credit reporting code/laws.
8. Oil Speculation needs to be heavily regulated.
I have a list a mile long, these are my top 8 that I think need an immediate solution and focus on.
One poster a few messages back wrote that “we all have equal chances” – or somethng to that effect. Ok, this person needs a serious reality check. This is one of the most untrue statements ANYBODY can make and makes me extremely angry. There is a HUGE difference for a white teen growing up in the suburbs in a great school, versus an African American growing up in Cabrini Green – and dropping out of school. White America is so nauseatingly blind to the fact that many Minorities were raised with a completely different set of rules and circumstances and for anybody to think that the playing field is “even” – needs to go and get their head examined. Many of the inner city youth grows up with little, if any hope of living a good life. Is this their fault? Absolutely NOT! These people need our help. Not only is it the Christian thing to do – they are our Brothers and Sisters. God created us ALL equal. We all bleed red blood, we all feel pain, we all feel hurt, etc. The color of our skin should mean nothing – but it does – and that is one thing that needs to be dealt with. There is so much open hostility between races that it’s sickening – and so Un-Godly.
But I think most important – people need to find God in their lives. He created each of us in His Own Image. Without Jesus Christ, my life would be meaningless – and I mean that with my whole heart. I love the Lord with everything I have, and He is MY LIFE. People who don’t know Him miss out on so much love that it’s unimaginable. Instead of “One Nation Under God”, it should be “One World Under God”.
Again, please accept my apologies if I offended you on my first post.
God Bless,
Wayne
July 10, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Wayne,
You’re a good man. No apology needed here. You made some good points along the way.
Blessings,
David
July 14, 2008 at 5:07 pm
I was just telling my friends the other day that if Obama is elected we will look forward to the USSA. Socialism is a collective tyrant that rewards those with little or no ambition and punishes those that had the foresight to attain the American dream of pursuit of happiness through properity. I suspect in an Obama America, you will have to share your wealth as dictated by the state or workers party. The real joke is that some people think you can negotiate with terrorist states. That we somehow have been insensitive to their needs, and that is why they kill us. “If we had a dialog with them, they would love and understand us.” We have a dialog with Japan, and while we were talking to them they were bombing Pearl Harbor. They tortured in killed the citizens of the world for their cause, and would rather die than stop fighting. Thank God someone with brains dropped an atom bomb on them to break their will. In this socialist empire that we live in, you won’t see that happen again. We will talk to them until they systematically kill us, little at a time.
Obama claims he is not a muslim, he just acts like one, claims he is not a terrorist, he just wants to hang out with them. Get Set your freedoms are fading away.
August 8, 2008 at 7:43 am
Right on! Keep it up!
August 12, 2008 at 8:39 am
[...] In this one he outlines what he believes to be Barack Obama’s socialist agenda: 1. Give an immediate $250 to ‘workers and their families’. 2. Give an immediate $250 to seniors for whatever reason. 3. Give another $250 to ‘workers and seniors’ if the economy worsens. 4. Give money to (aka Provide relief for) homeowners hit by the housing crisis. 5. Create a $10 billion foreclosure fund for irresponsible homeowners. 6. Create an mortgage interest credit (negative tax) only for ‘low-income’ workers. 7. Ensure freedom to unionize (form unions) 8. Provide UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE COVERAGE by providing the ‘average’ family a $2500 reduction in premiums. 9. Make college ‘affordable’ by providing $4000 tax credit (read ‘tax redistribution’) 10. Tackle ‘concentrated poverty’ in America. 11. Increase the supply of affordable housing (read Government housing) 12. Give every American a $1000 personal check for his/her vote in November. (OK, I made the last one up, but it sure fits the pattern!) [...]
August 21, 2008 at 2:49 pm
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August 25, 2008 at 9:18 pm
I would love to see David take a college course in Government, Law or philosophy. He would be crushed beyond belief.
Firstly, his ASSertion that our country was founded as a “capitalist country,” is idiocy. Capitalism was simply our kind of economy we have then and now, branching from that which was established by the English when the colonies were founded. Capitalism is functional, but just because something is functional doesn’t make something right. Communism can be a functioning government, but would you chose it over ours?
If our country is headed to socialism, and socialism is not what our country was based on, and socialism is basically defined as “the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community,” then what do our founders refer to as “we the people” and “one people”?. “The community” and “the people” mean exactly the same thing. So who then is undermining the very foundation of our country? Politicians? (who i don’t like either) or (weak) propaganda writing idiots like you?
Now do you see where you are being a hypocrite?
Our government is hardly perfect, although it is based on a framework for the greatest step toward a more perfect government. The lines between the kinds of government that are named are gray and blurred. It is only the agenda of those that apply the ideas or systems of government that lead them into evil or goodhearted.
It’s a simple matter of philosophy. Not many know this but philosophy is a huge part of how laws are structured. And many of us also are oblivious to the fact that our country was largely based on the need for Law. But how do you write Laws that are ethical and right? What do we do if we make a mistake and must correct a Law? And more importantly, who should write the Laws? It is a philosophical dilemma. But if we are to call ourselves intelligent, we must take up the challenge.
If your mind is so simple that you believe that those of us that should make the decisions are the ones that are white, rich and English speaking (yes, you do speak a foreign language while you hate ‘foreign’ languages), you would definitely not be among the key founders of our country. You would be more like a Nazi.
But even, they would never hire an idiot like yourself to write their prapaganda.
August 25, 2008 at 9:48 pm
I wish to add that I don’t like socialism or communism. However, I can strongly point out that Government, society and economy is hardly in it’s state-of-the-art or “highest level of development.” While technology flies past us in leaps and bounds, our Government and Political policies are still in the stone age. If it weren’t for the concepts our country was founded on (which David makes a mockery of), we wouldn’t have the free speech country that we have today to debate within. If you are so content with being rich, white and having a “screw others” attitude, then you are a ball and chain on the leg of those that think like our founders. Anyway, thats my point and I’ll leave you all with that.
Johnnie
August 26, 2008 at 9:23 am
Johnnie,
I’ll say two things in response:
1. I respect your views, which is why I decided to ‘approve’ the comments. I hope you appreciate that.
2. You have to admit that countries who adopt communist and socialist ideals usually end up failing on many levels. That was the point of my post, which as you can see has upset some while bolstering others.
I come from a middle income family in suburbia. However, my grandparents had bupkus when they married, but they worked extremely hard, made sound financial decisions and saved money like no one’s business. They retired with millions at age 45. (P.S. I’m not seeing any of that, by the way) They and those like them shoulder over 85% of the annual tax burden of the United States. How is this fair? Why do some lower income families pay no tax? Is this fair? What about these same low income families that don’t pay tax at all getting tax refunds???????? What’s that!? Personally, I’m all for an across the board flat tax or a national sales tax in lieu of income taxes. If you want to talk ‘fair’, this would be the way to go. But that’s not the purpose of this post.
By his own admission, Barack wants to make things ‘more fair’ and speaks of ‘fairness’ as something the federal government needs to make sure happens in America and all over the world. ‘Fairness’ = making the rich pay more than the 85% they already pay. What’s this Global Poverty Act, but American led socialism on a global scale?
I take offense to your thinking I have a ’screw others’ mentality. You and I have unlimited opportunities in this country. We’re only held back by our knowledge, our drive and our choices. Barack wants to somehow level the playing field and reward mediocrity while penalizing the industrious. The founding fathers of this country would be turning over in their graves, Johnnie.
I think in some respects, you and I are on the same page with regard to what’s wrong with the system- there are definitely things that could be better in both parties. My whole point here is to point out that B.O. is a socialist candidate and this country WAS NOT FOUNDED on socialist principles, but freedom. Hence ‘WE THE PEOPLE’… not ‘WE THE GOVERNMENT’.
We don’t need government taking more of our hard earned money and redistributing it around the world. We need to be willing to do that on our own through missions organizations and non-profits as we are blessed. See the difference? If not, you’re as blind as Obama.
Peace,
DJ
August 26, 2008 at 2:18 pm
David,
thanks for allowing my comments.
I wonder though, “redistributing it around the world”? I am sure they do, but I know more of our money goes into the military. But shouldn’t a war be one that we are pushed into, at last resort, in actual self defense?, and not one where we are simply flexing our military might and bloated war budget?
George Washington himself spoke of misusing the military, the danger of a standing army during peace time and in a letter he said that we should all be considered “congress” in the sense that all our opinions count, including those that signed their lives away to the military. Because if we do not take their lives and opinions into account, you are reducing the troops to not only less than a citizen but also reducing them to slaves. Bush doesn’t care about misusing the military and even less about the lives he’s sent off to die. He knows nobody would allow him to send our troops to Russia, even his supporters wouldn’t be brave (or stupid enough) to stand behind such a mistake.
anyway, thanks for seeing where our opinions coincide.
Johnnie
August 27, 2008 at 12:52 am
Wikipedia? Really?
August 27, 2008 at 10:34 am
Kerry,
Yes. I opted to use the lowest common denominator of education we know of. Hope it helped. Really.
~David
August 27, 2008 at 10:49 am
Just wanted to chime in to defend Wikipedia. It is an invaluable source of information, if only because it refers to countless other sources on any given topic from one single page.
Dismissing arguments just because they’re supported by Wikipedia articles is a logical fallacy. That link is good starting point on the quest to finding which one.
September 22, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Why wait for Obama when you got Bush to Socialize this government. Now what, genius?
September 23, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Can’t say I agree with everything Bush has put forward. But Bush has had to fight a liberal congress for two years. I’m not a die-hard republican, but a die-hard conservative. Hence, my belief is that an Obama presidency is a bad, bad, bad idea.
Oh, and thanks, but I’m not quite a genius, though I have tested very high. Thanks for your compliment!
October 4, 2008 at 10:45 am
Quote:
I say ‘less rich’ because the poorest American still eats better than 98% of the rest of the population of planet earth!
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My comment:
We have sent ship loads of food to many countries…where is that food going?
We have sent people to various countries to teach their citizens how to plant food, etc. After we leave they starve, because they do not want to do the work involved in farming.
On Neil Cavuto’s program today one of Obama right-hand man said that this country needs to be a socialistic country. There you have your “Change” that Obama is always talking about, but never explaining what “change” he wants to make.
October 6, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Ja,
Wow! Interesting post. Obama definitely wants a USSA (add an “s” for SOCIALIST). It would be the beginning of the end for America if his wack agenda becomes the law of the land.
I personally believe, however, that if he gets in office, we’ll see the House and Senate back in conservative hands within two years. Remember 1994???? Clinton had done such a poor job and was about to launch Hillary-care, a socialized healthcare plan. America said, “NO”, Newt Gingrich and the conservatives drafted a Contract With America, swept the vote and went on to complete the Contract points within a few years.
This may be just what America needs to wake back up to its conservative roots.
Thanks for the interesting post. I’d love to get a link to that.
David
July 3, 2009 at 5:24 pm
obama is a puppet leader anyway controlled by the military industrial complex and the global banking elite.which got obama elected to coordinate the collapse of the american superpower
October 8, 2008 at 2:27 pm
You’re absolutely right–socialism in its worst shape is coming to America if Obama gets elected.
And the worst part is that many people who will end up voting for Obama, wouldn’t know what they are really voting for. They don’t go to the blogs like yours, they don’t read long data-rich threads, they don’t watch scary YouTube kids-singing videos. We keep going down in polls because people listen to the huge propaganda machine–and take that BS at face value. What we need is an arsenal of conversation changers. These attention grabbers that make an impact in 5 sec. And THEN those whose opinions still can be changed may start reading more. Obama’s side if excellent in this. They have pros working around the clock on all sorts of visuals that go straight to the emotions level, bypassing the logic. Just take a look at this site to know what I’m talking about.
Can you name a single memorable anti-Obama poster that speaks to the center-leaning Democratic voter? I can’t. And to expose who Obama really is we need some of that. With my new blog and Facebook page I’ve started a new repository to fill this gap and hope it will take off and will be used and extended by others. Your comments and suggestions are more than welcome.
- Jeff Tyler (Dr. Slogan)
October 8, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Politically drunk and others are on it. “New Party” indeed.
http://snipurl.com/46yja [politicallydrunk_blogspot_com]
October 10, 2008 at 7:57 pm
For one, their is nothing in the constitutional framework that makes capitalism the State sanctioned economic framework, it is mute regarding that. FYI i believe the US should remain a capitalist nation, just not the corporate capitalism which defects we are now seeing. Senator Obama is not a socialist because he allegedly is giving out tax monies or assuring healthcare or education to the masses though that has become the hallmark of the middle class and higher as well as every other western democracy. George Bush is as much a socialist as Obama. The unfortunate reality is you are stuck in the conservative past with old ideologies from Ayn Rand. Evolve beyond that and hopefully we as Americans can come together instead of tear apart. We all want the same things, not socialist beauracracies or warmongering fascism. Fear is your greatest enemy.
October 19, 2008 at 1:00 pm
[...] pals around with terrorists who hate America. He wants to create the USSA by redistributing wealth like the godless Communists. He is in league with organizations like ACORN [...]
October 26, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Didn’t OBAMA want to get close to Hugo Chávez?
Barack Hussein Obama is an OBVIOUS Socialist. Of course, he will not say he’s a Socialist, because that would scare voters OFF.
But he is in LEAGUE with Hugo Chávez’ policies and ideologies.
Too bad I am governed by a Socialisto-Communist like Hugo Chavez
October 27, 2008 at 1:53 pm
[...] know what Barack stands for, most of the Obama supporters are voting for him because of race or the free money he’s promising. They feel they are somehow being deprived of rights, money and free [...]
November 1, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Obama a redistributionist socialist? Really? Perhaps it might be more relevant to look at the huge financial bail-out now underway, in the US and many other so-called “free-market” capitalist economies. I find it it a huge irony that when capitalism fails so utterly, as it is now doing, that the large corporations, banks and bankers, investement and finance experts, et all, clamour for a {gigantic} government/taxpayer funded handout. Looks suspiciously like socialism to me, except that the average man-on-the-street is left to fail, which is even worse. If the true followers who really believe in capitalism are so dead against any form of socialism, then the current bail-out makes them a bunch of “I want it bothways” hypocrites. Of course, it’s just capitalist greed, at its worst, again. Taxpayer money to save the wealthy.
November 2, 2008 at 1:42 am
As opposed to taxpayer money going to those who don’t work for it? Look, I disagree with the whole bail out idea. Capitalism works when corruption isn’t allowed unchecked. Basically, the libs in the Democratically controlled congress (I.e. Barney Frank, et al) didn’t do their jobs well enough. Bush has made his mistakes, but the bail-out idea, while it’s not in the long term best interest of the country, was deemed a short term emergency band-aid for bad decisions at the congressional level. Capitalism works. Socialism doesn’t. History bears witness.
November 2, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Wayne, you are so accurate on so many points and I totally agree. One of the problems I see is that people have a natural tendacy to take a side for some cause, whether it be politics, religion, or sports; and will defend thier position passionately without much regard to truth. To many people truth becomes whatever agrees with their view. I tend to be a moderate, and I say that because I attempt to see see the good and bad in both sides. And I suppose I believe that the truth is in the middle because I tend to look at both sides. One of the things I see is that republicans see socialism as more of a textbook definition tying it to goverment control and even some to communism. Where as democrates look at socialism as helping those who are incapable of helping themselves putting more responsibility on those who hold the most wealth to contribute to their aid. This leads me to two thoughts; shoudn’t churches be doing more to help the needy, and should government be helping the needy at all. I believe the answer to both questions is yes. The reason I feel that government should be more involved is because it has the capability to. But let me clarify my view, I belive there are two types of people with needs; those than can help themselves and those that just don’t want to. The problem with government helping is that dishonest people will abuse the system, which is why there needs to be more regulation in this area, but that has to be weighted agaist the cost of funding more control verses the cost of the abuse. There has to be a balance achieved. One of the things we have and will see when people are out of work whether it be because their job has been outsourced overseas, or their employer has gone out of business, or whatever is that as more people are impoverished crime will increase. As crime increases we will have to spend more money on protecting our citizens, thus leaving less money for programs and such. There are always trade-offs when faced with choices, but I do feel that we the people should do more to help those in need, our churches should also help, as well as our government within reason. I don’t feel pure capitalism is good, nor do I believe that pure socialism is good, but somewhere in the middle is about as good as we can get until Jesus returns and sets up his throne here on earth. So the reality is a kingship is the best form of government, if you have the perfect king. Meanwhile we will have to struggle with divided opinions and beliefs; racism, and so many who are only out for themselves. As for our elections, I’m tired of the lies from both parties and how peoples focus has been more on politics than on running the race of leading the lost to Çhrist which I know I am behind in. Time is short and people tend to forget that whatever happens in the elections, a God that was powerful enough to create the universe is powerful enough to be in control and will cause all outcomes to work for his Glory not ours. Have hope, lend a hand where you can, and have faith and peace that things will work out in the end.
November 2, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I wish there was a way of editing posts. When I made the statement about there being two kinds of people with needs; I meant to say there there are people who are not capable of helping themselves, which could be for medical or some other situation and then there are those who just plainly are too lazy to help themselves. Taking bits and pieces out of socialism and capitalism may be a good choice if wisdom is utilized. Everyone should be able to do some type of work to contribute to society, I know that sounds a little socialistic but I think there are good points to it. I’m still formulating my opinions on many topics but I do think that the best answer in many (not all) cases is somewhere between to alternatives. Our government is really a blend of the two with a constant struggle of which way to lean. “United we stand” seems to be a good slogan, but it seems these days our country is more “Divided we will stand”, this country is soo divided on so many issues, we are truely a country of a diversity of people; which culminate to mainly two 50/50 groups comes election day.
November 2, 2008 at 2:44 pm
One more comment to add. It will be interesting to see what kind of governement Jesus imposes when he rules the earth for 1000 years. I have a feeling that our concepts of capitalism and socialism will be out the window, when you add a perfect leader and remove the influence of sin and corruption
November 3, 2008 at 8:27 am
Excellent post. God help us tomorrow. At least we have until January before the real “crisis” hits.
November 5, 2008 at 1:28 am
Well we did it…now what do we do? I never really thought so many Americans could be so blind and stupid. God help us!
I guess all we can do is stock up on food and ammo to make it through the “worker’s paradise” we know is coming….oops, I meant riots, violence and perhaps even civil war.
November 5, 2008 at 11:30 am
What has happened to this country? I’m from NC and looks as if Obama won here too which is crazy. Guess throwing enough money at the media and advertising 4 to 1 over your opponent means you are capable of being president. Sad, sad, sad. I am damn proud to be an American, but very disgusted at my fellow voters who know nothing about the issues and see the word “change” as their motivator to cast their votes. 40% of the votes were from people who barely know who is even running for the Oval Office.
November 6, 2008 at 11:00 am
I just like how Obama won in a completely landslide. He won electoral vote and popular vote!. America wants Change and is ready for it, if the numbers do not show this I don’t know what does.
I sick of all this negativity, especially from people on my college campus. Obama is going to make a great president, we had to endure 8 years of bull crap. Now it is our turn to celebrate and see how he can change our country. Both candidates had to stretch the truth to even have a shot at winning, and neither had sound economic plans. But in order for one to get elected they must tell Americans what they want to hear.
Barack is what we need at a time like this, we just made history and it is GREAT THING! SO GET OVER YOURSELVES AND ACCEPT! OBAMA/BIDEN 08!!! (09,10,11 AND 2012!!)
July 3, 2009 at 5:29 pm
go to google and type in the obama deception.unless your afraid
November 6, 2008 at 11:59 am
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. – Winston Churchill
Some regard private enterprise as if it were a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look upon it as a cow that they can milk. Only a handful see it for what it really is – the strong horse that pulls the whole cart. – Winston Churchill
You don’t make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. – Winston Churchill
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. – Winston Churchill
“The state cannot get a cent for any man without taking it from
some other man, and this latter must be a man who has produced
and saved it. This latter is the Forgotten Man.”
– William Graham Sumner
November 6, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Spence,
I’m glad you know the truth: That Obama said what people wanted to hear in order to get elected. I’m actually surprised you’re admitting that. Most libs wouldn’t!
Why not make a list of things YOU personally want to see him do based on his empty promises and in four years, look at it to see what he accomplished. He will only flourish if conservatives retake the House and Senate in 2010. Just like 1994 with Billy Bob Clinton. His first two years were disaster, then Gingrich and the Republican revolution happened! People voted for CHANGE, alright. But not all change is good change! Mark my words.
November 6, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Sam,
Thanks for posting. This is a voice of a bygone era, it seems, but oh, what truth it is! Socialism is doomed to failure. History bears this out. Americans have never experienced it, but if Osama bin Biden have their way, we will. Thanks for the post… we need more folks like you out there.
DJ
November 15, 2008 at 1:25 am
A song comes to mind,
“It’s the end of the world as we know it….”
God help us, Unfortunatly it will take devine intervention to save this country.
November 15, 2008 at 1:51 am
Spence,
your right about one things. America did vote for change, socialism. socialism is drastic change, but is it change we really need? Did Americans acheive the way of wife that the many other people of the world want by embrasing socialism? No, we absolutely did not!
8 years of bull crap? How about the first 6 years of Bush where we had one of the biggest economic growths in history, during which the stock market reaced all time record highs.
The reason everyone is so “negative” about Obama winning because true Americans are worried for their country.
I am lucky, no matter what happens i will have money to take care of me. And it is not because my parents are millionairs and im not a trustfund baby. My parents were born into extremely poor families. They started from the bottom, and thanks to capitolism they have spent the last 30 years working their asses off making it to the top. That said, under Obama people like my parents will not be able to work they up because of his rediculas economic policies. I can not beleive that people are so selfish that they want to punish people who have been sucessful. These freeloading welfare babys who live in their government houses are draging down America. I am proud to be an American, but I am ashamed of many of our citezens.
God Bless America
November 24, 2008 at 9:24 am
Have you guys noticed the number of bail out s made during the BUSH presidency? Bail outs that have been advocated by people such as former Republican presidential candidate John McCain? All these bail outs couldn’t be more more socialist if one wanted to. At this point, we’re worse than the Soviet Union was during their height of communism. Whatever happened to the “free market”? If a business fails, then it should…FAIL, not saved by tax payers who weren’t involved in the failure of the business. Why should I have to pay for other people’s failures? Especially when its a multi-billion dollar company (I’m looking at you former “Big Three” auto makers and Citi Group Bank), when for years they have made a ridiculous amount of profit. Now you have short comings and you want ME to pay for it?! I SAY NO!!
December 23, 2008 at 1:36 am
Is this debate over now that America has silenced these ridiculous claims? To be honest I skipped most of the comments so I hope I’m not repeating someone but I’m amazed at how gullible some people are. How much background do you have in economics? Some of Barack Obama’s plans resemble Socialism to an untrained eye but in reality it will actually enhance our capitalistic economy. That may not make sense to you but by increasing capital gains tax he is decreasing the amount of money you can earn by simply already having money. Also, by reinstating the estate tax, Paris Hilton might have to do one more reality show in order to pay for her rat-sized dog’s spa treatments. The fact is that the rich will still be rich but their free rides won’t be entirely free and the tax revenue will go to inner-city kids who never had a shot. I just posted on my blog about my fear of socialism and yet I voted for Barack Obama. By shifting the measure of success from what last name you’re born with(or middle name because for some reason you believe that matters) to how hard you work, Obama will make this country better. I beg you to read my latest post because I believe you’ll appreciate my comments on socialism. Have a Merry Christmas!
corey-becker.blogspot.com
December 23, 2008 at 2:35 pm
You make a lot of sense to me, I just happen to disagree with your assessment. You’ve been duped, just like 52% of this country. In backwards order, you’re mistaken in assuming:
a.) that the rich don’t work hard, only poor, when over 80% of the taxes are from these rich folks in the first place
b.) that reinstating an estate tax will only hurt the rich, when in reality, poor people die too and leave behind ‘taxable’ assets on which they’ve already paid taxes. (double taxation!)
c.) that decreasing capital gains earnings is a good thing if you’ve worked your butt off and have money set aside.
d.) that somehow the rich OWE the poor something in this country.
e.) that somehow Obama’s plans ‘resemble’ socialism to ‘an untrained eye’, but socialist policies are really the heartbeat of capitalism. (WHAT???)
Now, I’m going to read your blog to see if you can make any MORE sense to me, but the fact that you voted for this clown speaks volumes as to your leanings. Socialism is a cancer and needs to be eradicated. You may agree with this assessment, but not enough to vote for freedom. That’s OK. In 4 years, it’s over… hopefully.
Merry Christmas to you too!
January 22, 2009 at 11:58 am
Well, Americans went blind and voted Obama in and he already is going to push thru people such as Tim Geithner who cheated the government; he is closing Gitmo and Pelosi doesn’t want the detainees in Alcaltraz…they are terrorists and Obama worries more about them than Americans; his friend Rev Lowery put down whites, browns, reds and yellows in his speech; Young Jeezy and Jay-Z announced to the whole world that Obama is “their black president” so I guess the rest of us should leave the country…what a mess
February 18, 2009 at 2:27 pm
It appears that some of us are thinking RIGHT, but far too many didn’t see Commissar Obama for what he really is!
The Murder of America, or how we became the USSA
June 22, 2009 at 12:05 pm
I WILL DIE FIRST
September 8, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Uncle Sam I Am…
Would you, could you, love new jobs?
Don’t worry who it really robs!
You didn’t like my ‘Green Jobs Czar’
I’ve tried to CHANGE it all so far!
Don’t you BELIEVE it’s not a scam?
Don’t you have HOPE in Uncle Sam?
Don’t you want less……